tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32937120.post2567114721970029938..comments2024-03-29T10:27:26.196+05:30Comments on Kaal - Chiron...: Dvija - Rescuing Varna from JaatiUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32937120.post-84214028292129650892012-09-29T01:52:38.406+05:302012-09-29T01:52:38.406+05:30Just wanted to refer to this sloka form Mahabharat...Just wanted to refer to this sloka form Mahabharath when Yudhistra responded to Nahusha as below:<br /><br />Janmana ja:yathe: su:drah<br />Samska:ra:th dvijamuchhathe:<br />Vidya:bhya:sa:th vipraha<br />BrahmaNa ja:yathe: bra:hmaNaha<br /><br />'By birth one is a Su:dra<br />By samska:ra:s becomes one a Dvija (twice-born)<br />By education one becomes a Vipraha (pundit)<br />One who knows Brahman becomes a Bra:hmaNa'<br />Raj Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09296669353458415520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32937120.post-2630334092878773932012-09-17T01:00:31.600+05:302012-09-17T01:00:31.600+05:30One more thing I would like to point out. Lots of ...One more thing I would like to point out. Lots of well English educated Hindus have moved out to places in USA and Europe. They have no qualms in building temples and attending them w/o fail every week and harp on the philosophical greatness of Hinduism. But how many of their offspring are ready to pursue being temple priests? They would rather import these priests from India. Is it fair to Hindus in India? Already people are leaving their Vaidic duties in search of $.On top of it, the priests are being exported out of India.So what is needed is enforcing pride in their jathi's tradition rather than try to delink the Varna and jathi connection. Barinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03847627585214737779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32937120.post-21766761342455853572012-09-17T00:50:47.288+05:302012-09-17T00:50:47.288+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.Barinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03847627585214737779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32937120.post-61540427894198022722012-09-17T00:50:15.251+05:302012-09-17T00:50:15.251+05:30You are correct that the jathis are not functionin...You are correct that the jathis are not functioning according to their Dharma. But atleast till British broke their back, their ancestors did follow it and its not wrong for current descendants to own it up. In addition to that, they need to realise the existential threat faced by Hindus and revert to their ancestors' vocation instead of running behind IIT and MS. Are they upto it? I don't think so the reason being the Macaulyte education. <br />I don't agree that HIndu population is growing.Its declining and what is growing is non-Hindu population. HIndus could have gone to other places, ages ago when they didn't face the threat from monotheists. The same cannot be held true now. When their religion's history is tied up with Bharatvarsha, how can they live in peace in other lands? Exactly why you see HIndus flocking to all sorts of religious classes when they are abroad.IN my opinion, what needs to be done is to restore the pride in each's jathi and work as a whole to face the threat of extinction. Can't be done again,as one set of ppl will hanker after the honey of western development, having acquired a taste for it which in turn will lead to competition among others to get a part of the same pie. Exactly what is happening now.Barinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03847627585214737779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32937120.post-69460296903911590292012-09-16T11:35:30.701+05:302012-09-16T11:35:30.701+05:30PP ji,
I agree with your assessment. However, I d...PP ji,<br /><br />I agree with your assessment. However, I did not call for ignoring OR dismantling Jaati-vyavastha.<br /><br />All I called for is dissociating words like "Brahmana" from certain "Jaatis". <br /><br />If you read my previous article which is cited in this essay - India a civilizational state, I have stated that India is a desha where number of Jaatis coexist using a mutually supportive code of conduct called as Dharma. <br /><br />Jaatis and their interdependence is hallmark of India. What is wrong is, certain "jaatis" which claim the respect reserved for "Varna" without living the vigorous lifestyle prescribed to that Varna and without earning it. I am for dissociating this. Brahmana as a Varna is someone who has rised above all these parochial attachments, who is a knowledgeable person living a very strict and austere life on grants given to him by state and other three Varnas. Conduct, Character, Knowledge and Nature of a person should be criteria and not community he is born in (which is implied by the word "Jaati").<br /><br />As far as your second point of education system is concerned, it is effect of growing population and not being able to expand outside due to the incumbent system of nation-state. If you read my series on Hindu-Marriage, I have quoted a story of Naarada and Prajapati and how Narada asked Prajapati's children to move out of India and expand. There are many regions outside India which are practically empty. But this nation-state system makes it difficult, thereby increasing the competition. I guess system will revert back to older, biologically friendly times when time relieves this demographic pressure on nation-state.काय चालूये.. https://www.blogger.com/profile/17951102544582956198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32937120.post-71175759202510315612012-09-16T09:29:22.147+05:302012-09-16T09:29:22.147+05:30jathi encompasses occupation, customs including dr...jathi encompasses occupation, customs including dress, food, Gods, mode of worjship, place of worship and the intellectual property carried over the millennia. So when the author calls for jathi to be igrnored, he wants Hindus to reject one part of their Varnashrama dharma. We all what is currently wrong with the education system in India. No one is taught to respect their ancestors' ideas, including their jathi based setup.does the author wants Hindus to follow the same path?another point regding current westernised system is that the boy & girl spend their most productive years 'trying to become an expert in something & fighting for the same goal -career. How is it going to do any good, for the society to survive?Barinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03847627585214737779noreply@blogger.com